Sunday, June 25, 2006

Withdrawal comments Jun23 '06

Comments on June 23 ’06 Weekend Israel English Press

Naturally both Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post ran stories about the continued missile attacks from Gaza into the Israeli town of Sederot.

Also stories comments editorials and op-eds on the proposed withdrawal from Judea & Samaria.

Both these subjects have several interesting points of meeting.

It would seem taken for granted that the failed Gaza example of total withdrawal is also the model for the Judea & Samaria withdrawal. Of course it is too late to make suggestions on how the Gaza withdrawal could have or should have been done differently. However in anticipation of the J.&S. withdrawal there is still time to consider a different paradigm.

Since arriving in Israel twenty years ago I have advocated a withdrawal polity which would be carried out only in regard to the civilian Israelis living across the green line. I strongly believed and believe even more strongly now, that the operative consideration is truly security then the civilians living in J.&S. are of no security benefit to us. I would also argue that they are in fact liability ONLY the presence of IDF makes a contribution to the security of the state of Israel.

In any event, we can not predicate our policies of withdrawal on changes by either the Palestinians or the world community. No matter how inclusive or selected the withdrawal it will NOT bring any change in the attitude or policy of the Palestinians towards us. The nations of the world as well as their international institutions have for the most part also ignored our efforts to end the occupation and reduce the friction between Israelis the Palestinian population.


Our ONLY choice is to try our best and be most objective as to what is best for US!

Withdrawal comments Jun23 '06

Comments on June 23 ’06 Weekend Israel English Press

Naturally both Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post ran stories about the continued missile attacks from Gaza into the Israeli town of Sederot.

Also stories comments editorials and op-eds on the proposed withdrawal from Judea & Samaria.

Both these subjects have several interesting points of meeting.

It would seem taken for granted that the failed Gaza example of total withdrawal is also the model for the Judea & Samaria withdrawal. Of course it is too late to make suggestions on how the Gaza withdrawal could have or should have been done differently. However in anticipation of the J.&S. withdrawal there is still time to consider a different paradigm.

Since arriving in Israel twenty years ago I have advocated a withdrawal polity which would be carried out only in regard to the civilian Israelis living across the green line. I strongly believed and believe even more strongly now, that the operative consideration is truly security then the civilians living in J.&S. are of no security benefit to us. I would also argue that they are in fact liability ONLY the presence of IDF makes a contribution to the security of the state of Israel.

In any event, we can not predicate our policies of withdrawal on changes by either the Palestinians or the world community. No matter how inclusive or selected the withdrawal it will NOT bring any change in the attitude or policy of the Palestinians towards us. The nations of the world as well as their international institutions have for the most part also ignored our efforts to end the occupation and reduce the friction between Israelis the Palestinian population.


Our ONLY choice is to try our best and be most objective as to what is best for US!

Withdrawal comments Jun23 '06

Comments on June 23 ’06 Weekend Israel English Press

Naturally both Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post ran stories about the continued missile attacks from Gaza into the Israeli town of Sederot.

Also stories comments editorials and op-eds on the proposed withdrawal from Judea & Samaria.

Both these subjects have several interesting points of meeting.

It would seem taken for granted that the failed Gaza example of total withdrawal is also the model for the Judea & Samaria withdrawal. Of course it is too late to make suggestions on how the Gaza withdrawal could have or should have been done differently. However in anticipation of the J.&S. withdrawal there is still time to consider a different paradigm.

Since arriving in Israel twenty years ago I have advocated a withdrawal polity which would be carried out only in regard to the civilian Israelis living across the green line. I strongly believed and believe even more strongly now, that the operative consideration is truly security then the civilians living in J.&S. are of no security benefit to us. I would also argue that they are in fact liability ONLY the presence of IDF makes a contribution to the security of the state of Israel.

In any event, we can not predicate our policies of withdrawal on changes by either the Palestinians or the world community. No matter how inclusive or selected the withdrawal it will NOT bring any change in the attitude or policy of the Palestinians towards us. The nations of the world as well as their international institutions have for the most part also ignored our efforts to end the occupation and reduce the friction between Israelis the Palestinian population.

Our ONLY choice is to try and do what is best for US!

Monday, August 23, 2004

To Arun Gandhi

Aug 23 2004
Shalom & Greetings Mr. Gandhi
I have been reading of your impending visit to the Middle East, Jordan and Israel and the controversy it has generated here in Israel.
From the quotes attributed to you by the news reports I would not make the assumption that you are anti-Semitic in any way. I apologize for what may seem as overly sensitive reactions by some of my fellow Jews. What can I say, other than to remind you that we are very sensitive to perceived insults. Perhaps we are over sensitive to comments made about us which we feel do not accurately reflect who we are, or what we do. Could it be that there are citizens of India who have the same experience?
It is in this context that I wanted to offer some comments to a few quotes, which appeared in the articles about your planed visit. I would hope that they might serve to expand your understanding of the complexities of the circumstances in which the events here take place.
Along with many Israelis I too find the construction of the barrier insulting, and offensive. It is also ugly and a profoundly sad statement that we have surrendered to an imposed reality that is more challenging than we are presently capable of dealing with.
Yet the alternative; that lives of both innocent Israeli and Palestinian be lost is even more repulsive. Your statement about the "wall" (security barrier) as being the "ultimate (expression) of violence" is clearly an exaggeration. You know that for religious/ spiritually orientated people "ultimate" is a very powerful concept. Just think of whether your honored grandfather had been given the choice of Moslems and Hindus killing each other freely, or of a barrier of some kind separating them until their mutual fear and hatred had cooled, what might he have perefered? How many lives might have been saved in India had that been the case. How many children who were murdered by mindless mobs might have grown up to be adults capable of contributing to Indian and world culture.
You are also quoted as saying "…Israel has achieved nothing but violence." This statement is a display of great ignorance on your part as to the true achievements here in the past fifty-six years. Our achievements are so numerous and unique it would take several volumes to describe them all properly.
We resurrected a classical language of antiquity.
We gave refuge and homes to over a million refugees.
We really did make the "desert bloom". (Do you know that Israel is the only nation who entered the 21-cent with less dessert land than at the beginning of the 20th cent?)
Israel provides advanced medical as well as agricultural assistance to underdeveloped nations around the world. At the very moment that you will be visiting here, Palestinian children suffering from serious heart defects will be under the care of Israeli doctors in our hospitals.
The idea that "the Jews in Britain and the United States did not want the Jews that Hitler decided to eliminate and so they pushed the problem on to the Palestinians." is a pure fantasy. It is the equivalent of believing that the people of India pursued independence only in order to humiliate the British. The problem of the Palestinians is that they are unable or unwilling to share with us, their fellow semites and human beings, even the smallest part of our ancestral homeland.
It is not the Jews who are rewriting history. At Camp David Yassar Arafat was quoted as having denied any Jewish historical connection to this land, and the Temple Mount as well. This connection is attested to by the archeological artifacts, which have been discovered in over one hundred years of excavations. If the Jews/Israelites/Hebrews hade no presence in Jerusalem or the Temple Mount, what are all the Christian institutions which claim connection and continuity to the Jew Jesus doing in Israel and Jerusalem? Can we accept that the Hebrew and Christian bibles are inaccurate and lying? Could it be that only the Qur’an (which by-the-way declares the Jews to have received this land from Allah-"He has given to no other nation [the Written and Oral Torah and the Land of Israel]. Enter, my People, the holy land [Land of Israel] which God has assigned for you. Do not turn back, and thus lose all'". [Qur'an, The Table, Sura 5:20]) is a truthful document?
As I said at the beginning, I do not believe that you are anti-Semitic, only misinformed.
If you truly wish to contribute to the possibility of Jews and Arabs, of Israelis and Palestinians being able to share this tiny corer of the planet may I suggest in all humility that you undertake a more diverse course of study of the history of our area and conflict.
With respect
Yoram Getzler
Moshav Aminadav
Jerusalem, 90885

Shalom & Greetings Mr. Gandhi
I have been reading of your impending visit to the Middle East, Jordan and Israel and the controversy it has generated here in Israel.
From the quotes attributed to you by the news reports I would not make the assumption that you are anti-Semitic in any way. I apologize for what may seem as overly sensitive reactions by some of my fellow Jews. What can I say, other than to remind you that we are very sensitive to perceived insults. Perhaps we are over sensitive to comments made about us which we feel do not accurately reflect what who we are or what we do.
It is in this context that I wanted to offer some comments on a few quotes, which appeared in the articles about your planed visit. I would hope that they might serve to expand your understanding of the complexities of the circumstances in which the events here take place.
Along with many Israelis I too find the construction of the barrier insulting, and offensive. It is also ugly and a profoundly sad statement that we have surrendered to an imposed reality that is more challenging than we are presently capable of dealing with.
Yet the alternative; that lives of both innocent Israeli and Palestinian be lost is even more repulsive. Your statement about the "wall" (security barrier) as being the "ultimate (expression) of violence" is clearly an exaggeration. You know that for religious/ spiritually orientated people "ultimate" is a very powerful concept. Just think of whether your honored grandfather had been given the choice of Moslems and Hindus killing each other freely, or of a barrier of some kind separating them until their mutual fear and hatred had cooled. How many lives might have been saved in India had that been the case. How many children who were murdered by mindless mobs might have grown up to be adults capable of contributing to Indian and world society.
You are also quoted as saying "…Israel has achieved nothing but violence." This statement is a display of great ignorance on your part as to the true achievements here in the past fifty-six years. Our achievements are so numerous and unique it would take several volumes to describe them all. We resurrected a classical language of antiquity.
We gave refuge and homes to over a million refugees. We made the "desert bloom". Do you know that Israel is the only nation who entered the 21-cent with less dessert land than at the beginning of the 20th cent? Israel provides advanced medical as well as agricultural assistance to underdeveloped nations around the world. At the very moment that you will be visiting here, Palestinian children suffering from serious heart defects will be under the care of Israeli doctors in our hospitals.
The idea that "the Jews in Britain and the United States did not want the Jews that Hitler decided to eliminate and so they pushed the problem on to the Palestinians." is a pure fantasy. It is the equivalent of believing that the people of India pursued independence only in order to humiliate the British. The problem of the Palestinians is that they are unable or unwilling to share with us, their fellow human beings, even the smallest part of our ancestral homeland.
It is not the Jews who are rewriting history. At Camp David Yassar Arafat was quoted as having denied any Jewish historical connection to the Temple Mount. This connection is attested to by the archeological artifacts, which have been discovered in over one hundred years of excavations. If the Jews/Israelites/Hebrews hade no presence in Jerusalem or the Temple Mount, what are all the Christian institutions which claim connection and continuity to the Jew Jesus doing in Israel and Jerusalem? Can we accept that the Hebrew and Christian bibles are inaccurate and lying? Could it be that only the Qur’an (which by-the-way declares the Jews to have received this land from Allah) is a truthful document?
As I said at the beginning, I do not believe that you are anti-Semitic, but rather only misinformed.
If you truly wish to contribute to the possibility of Jews and Arabs, of Israelis and Palestinians being able to share this tiny corer of the planet I suggest you undertake a more diverse course of study of the history of our area and conflict.
With respect
Yoram Getzler
Moshav Aminadav
Jerusalem, 90885

Wednesday, July 14, 2004

Jerusalem Post - Letter to the editor Re: "Hill Top Youth"

At issue: The youth who inhabit the Hill Top settlements in Judea and Samaria

I agree with Moshe Dan's realization that "Hill top settlements raises critical questions." (In defense of hill top youth Tue July 13).
However the questions Mr. Dan would have us ask are not the ones relevant to our time or place. Of course it is legitimate for Jews to live any place on the planet, certainly any place in our ancient home land, we can easily agree on that. (Although others will not).
The real question now has to do with wisdom, i.e. is it wise for us to encourage and allow that phenomena. Of course it was legitimate for Jews to live in Warsaw in 1940, the real question is was it wise?
Yes the government is to blame, but for it to continue to make the same mistakes as in the past regarding Jews living in Judea, Samaria and Gaza is not a useful answer.
Although I agree with Mr. Dans understanding that various agencies of the government are guilty of breaking the law, along with Bezek and other private and public institutions I do not believe that it is practical or relevant to prosecute them at this time
It seems that the only appropriate and practical action is for the government to NOW exercise the its responsibility regarding its law, not to continue to ignore it.
Encouraging illegal and arrogant behavior because the Palestinians have not been faithful to the Road Map or to Oslo or to the Qur'an is also no excuse for allowing Israeli youth to peruse a course of action which distorts Judaism, the state of Israel and their own spiritual development.
While it could well be that these youth are "Rooted in a love for the Land of Israel and Torah...a spirit of dedication and self-sacrifice...". What they seem to have missed in their educational experience is a touch of humility, also missing is a sense of sharing with others, and an ability to even perceive others. To paraphrase Bob Dylan they believe that "G-d is on their side", therefore there are no limits to their chutzpa and distain for others. They obviously are above the law and the government that not only supports and protects them, provides their homes and builds their roads, but also legally represents the people of Israel.

thank you
Yoram Getzler
Moshav Aminadav

Sunday, July 04, 2004

My Views & Comments & Reactions #1



From Haaretz ; Weeks End Friday June 18 ‏2004– :
Article;
“And Herzl was one of us, too” By Tamar Rotem


Anti-Semitism:
The refusal by the people of Vienna Austria to rename the Lueger Platz (square) after Theodore Hertzl is not necessarily about the attitude of the Viennese to Jews. Even though we are sensitive to the fact that Lueger founded the first anti-Semitic party in Vienna we must understand that he might be well thought and admired of for his other civic policies. For us it may be legitimate to apprise a person by their public statements and actins towards Jews
But we can not expect that all other people view history and culture from our vantage point.

Book Review; By Reuven Miran
“Messianic Temptation; Rise and fall of the Israeli Left” by Golan Lahat

Is the Israeli Left the only “fallen” Left?
It would seem that even taking the entire planetary political phenomenon of “Left” politics, where is there a true left on the rise? Where was there a true left that achieved a lasting success, significant beneficial long-term results?
I would also point out that it is probably true that all the variety of attempts to develop a true Left were answered with a certain amount of hostility on the part of the majority cultures in which the attempts took place. Within that, one unique context of the Israeli Left is that its national home was also under assault. As a result in accepting the traditional avant-garde responsibility of the Left it also found itself sending its “best and brightest” into the national conflict.

Judaism by its essential traditional nature understands all human life to be engaged in the challenge of doing the best we can within the paradoxical nature of human existence. In the context of the times and place, and of what we now know of the immediate historical events in Europe; I ask:
How did these Jewish Socialists who chose one of the other two possible responses other than Zionist Socialism fare? Those other responses were; A) remaining in Europe, mainly Eastern Europe (USSR Poland etc.) and joining the struggle for the progressive future of “ALL PEOPLES”
B) Emigrating to the USA, and the next generations decent into consumerism.



Tuesday, June 15, 2004

Support of Seperation Plan

A MODEST PROPOSAL to the Left
that you can do that will have a positive influence on the complex situation here.

1) Condemn irrevocably all acts of purposeful random killing! No if/and’s/or but’s. Under any circumstances for all times. There is no “understanding”; no “they have no choice”; no “under their circumstances I would do the same thing”.
2) Support all attempts or plans to withdraw Israelis from Gaza, Judea and/or Samaria! Along with that condemn all calls by any Palestinian group to take advantage of the absence of the IDF to perpetuate more attacks.
Consider the assumption: If the intifada, all the killing, violence and hate is related to “The Occupation” – than any form of the end of that occupation should be encouraged. Otherwise is there any possible reason that Israelis should consider relinquishing a perceived territorial advantage?
The encouragement of positive actions on the part of either party seems so obvious, perhaps too obvious. Maybe it is just too counterintuitive to those true believers who fallow a party line.




Letter to the left

Along the way to Arik Sharon’s planned evacuation of all Israeli presence in Gaza there are many possible events that might either implement or impede the project. Whether or not it actually takes place, one thing is clear, this is a true test of the Palestinians and the Left, Israeli and international, as to their true intentions. If ending the Occupation is the real issue, then the support and cooperation should be across the board.
NOW is the time for those who claim to be fighting against Israeli rule/occupation to lend their total support to the idea/plan that the current government has reciently been fighting for. It must be understood that if the Palestinians clearly exhibit 100% effort to stop the random killing of Israeli civilians the argument of many Israelis who do not believe that it is remotely possible for the Palestinian people to live in a satisfactory state of neighborliness with Israelis will be sourly compromised in the eyes of the majority of moderate individual Israelis.
The unconditional support of The Left, Israeli and foreign, Jews, Israelis and others, who are really struggling for an end to the occupation and what they believe to be the “rights of the Palestinian people”, now also have the opportunity to strengthen the hand of moderation of those Israelis who share the opinion that the presence of Jewish Israeli civilians in the midst of the large population of Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza is untenable. This process will also go a long way to broaden Palestinian support for a true compromise. The strengthening of the community of Palestinian moderate individuals should be understood as a major critical step in the direction of developing an accommodation between the two sides that we all can live, develop and flourish within.
NOTICE please, above I used the term 100% effort. The same understanding will need be extended to the Israeli government. There are many forces within the Israeli society who will continue to struggle against the intention of the government to disengage from Gaza and some parts of the West Bank. This government as well as any other that might arise in Israel can not sit idely by if the murder of its citizens continues. The same is true regarding the complete independence and soverenty that can be relinquished to the Palestinans, at least before they have proven their realiablity, willingness and effectiveness to put a halt to terrorist activities. Here too the Israeli government should be judged on their 00% effort !